antepop Postad 7 Mars , 2007 Rapport Postad 7 Mars , 2007 Vad är era erfarenheter i från denna site? Med en handfull spelare på "primetime" så kanske det inte är så många erfarenheter Citera
jafar Postad 7 Mars , 2007 Rapport Postad 7 Mars , 2007 Fick en Royal Flush där när jag lirade playmoney Citera
teddybeahr Postad 7 Mars , 2007 Rapport Postad 7 Mars , 2007 Spelar lite grann där nu för att cleara en bonus. Går inte så fort dock, nästan aldrig några spelare där jag lirar (NL50-NL200). Citera
antepop Postad 8 Mars , 2007 Författare Rapport Postad 8 Mars , 2007 Spelar lite grann där nu för att cleara en bonus. Går inte så fort dock, nästan aldrig några spelare där jag lirar (NL50-NL200). Nej har oxå fått den uppfattningen. Känns drygt att lira på en site som det knappt finns några spelare. Så vi får se om jag lirar där efter clearad bonus! Citera
kazzeppo Postad 19 Mars , 2008 Rapport Postad 19 Mars , 2008 Pitbull har frirullar varje timma. Startar alltid halv. (xx:30) Du kan prova flash klienten med 10 dollares gratis om du använder PT10 när du signar upp. Citera
Pistonh Postad 1 April , 2008 Rapport Postad 1 April , 2008 Någon mer än jag som har haft problem med utbetalning från pitbullpoker.com Har väntar i 9 dagar nu på en överföring till Neteller men det har inte skett något och dem vägrar svara på mail. Spelade där bara pga av en bonus som jag jobbade upp, första och sista gången jag satt min fot där om utbetalningar ska ta sån tid när de själva beskriver sig att ha "fast cashouts". Citera
Mandalore Postad 4 Juni , 2008 Rapport Postad 4 Juni , 2008 Någon mer än jag som har haft problem med utbetalning från pitbullpoker.comHar väntar i 9 dagar nu på en överföring till Neteller men det har inte skett något och dem vägrar svara på mail. Spelade där bara pga av en bonus som jag jobbade upp, första och sista gången jag satt min fot där om utbetalningar ska ta sån tid när de själva beskriver sig att ha "fast cashouts". Jag har !! Jag satte in 50$ för att testa sidan och så fick jag 20$ bonus, sen så spela jag upp mig till 80 o sen ner till 50, sjukt fiskig sida med så dåliga spelare som inte kan spela. sen när jag vill ta ut mina resterande 50$ så låter dem mig inte utan jag måste spela in 200 poäng helt sjukt. här är conversationen med supporten vilka jävla idioter! Thomas .: Hello, Igor! Welcome to Live Customer Support! How may I be of your assistance? Igor : my withdraw has been canceled Thomas .: Can you please give me your screen name so I can check your account? Igor : mandalore Thomas .: Please hold, while I check this out. Thank you! Thomas .: You only have 4 comp points, you need to reach 200 to make a cash out Igor : but i have deposited my own 50dollars i can take them out if i want to Igor : this aint bonus money, this is my own 50dollars Thomas .: yes but we gave you other $20 free Thomas .: if you receive a bonus you need to make 200 points to cash out any amount Igor : yes and now i want to cashout my 50dollars Igor : this is outrageous you dont let your players to cashout their own money that they have deposited? that makes me not to deposit any more money, i mean your players loose their faith in you if you do things like this Thomas .: Well Igor why dont you complain when you got the $20 free. Igor : what does that to do with anything? Thomas .: those are rhe rules, i am sorry, you need 196 more points to cash out Igor: 20 free is your own advertisment Igor : i will post this on many poker forums Thomas .: ok Good luck Igor : and this conversation Citera
masterplan Postad 4 Juni , 2008 Rapport Postad 4 Juni , 2008 Jag har !!Jag satte in 50$ för att testa sidan och så fick jag 20$ bonus, sen så spela jag upp mig till 80 o sen ner till 50, sjukt fiskig sida med så dåliga spelare som inte kan spela. sen när jag vill ta ut mina resterande 50$ så låter dem mig inte utan jag måste spela in 200 poäng helt sjukt. här är conversationen med supporten vilka jävla idioter! Thomas .: Hello, Igor! Welcome to Live Customer Support! How may I be of your assistance? Igor : my withdraw has been canceled Thomas .: Can you please give me your screen name so I can check your account? Igor : mandalore Thomas .: Please hold, while I check this out. Thank you! Thomas .: You only have 4 comp points, you need to reach 200 to make a cash out Igor : but i have deposited my own 50dollars i can take them out if i want to Igor : this aint bonus money, this is my own 50dollars Thomas .: yes but we gave you other $20 free Thomas .: if you receive a bonus you need to make 200 points to cash out any amount Igor : yes and now i want to cashout my 50dollars Igor : this is outrageous you dont let your players to cashout their own money that they have deposited? that makes me not to deposit any more money, i mean your players loose their faith in you if you do things like this Thomas .: Well Igor why dont you complain when you got the $20 free. Igor : what does that to do with anything? Thomas .: those are rhe rules, i am sorry, you need 196 more points to cash out Igor: 20 free is your own advertisment Igor : i will post this on many poker forums Thomas .: ok Good luck Igor : and this conversation Det är dina egna pengar du förlorat, inte bonuspengarna. $30 borde ju däremot inte vara några problem att casha ut så nåt står inte rätt till. Citera
JELLJUN Postad 4 Juni , 2008 Rapport Postad 4 Juni , 2008 Bara namnet på sajten låter seriöst..... Citera
Smiskelof Postad 17 Juli , 2008 Rapport Postad 17 Juli , 2008 Jag har !!Jag satte in 50$ för att testa sidan och så fick jag 20$ bonus, sen så spela jag upp mig till 80 o sen ner till 50, sjukt fiskig sida med så dåliga spelare som inte kan spela. sen när jag vill ta ut mina resterande 50$ så låter dem mig inte utan jag måste spela in 200 poäng helt sjukt. här är conversationen med supporten vilka jävla idioter! Thomas .: Hello, Igor! Welcome to Live Customer Support! How may I be of your assistance? Igor : my withdraw has been canceled Thomas .: Can you please give me your screen name so I can check your account? Igor : mandalore Thomas .: Please hold, while I check this out. Thank you! Thomas .: You only have 4 comp points, you need to reach 200 to make a cash out Igor : but i have deposited my own 50dollars i can take them out if i want to Igor : this aint bonus money, this is my own 50dollars Thomas .: yes but we gave you other $20 free Thomas .: if you receive a bonus you need to make 200 points to cash out any amount Igor : yes and now i want to cashout my 50dollars Igor : this is outrageous you dont let your players to cashout their own money that they have deposited? that makes me not to deposit any more money, i mean your players loose their faith in you if you do things like this Thomas .: Well Igor why dont you complain when you got the $20 free. Igor : what does that to do with anything? Thomas .: those are rhe rules, i am sorry, you need 196 more points to cash out Igor: 20 free is your own advertisment Igor : i will post this on many poker forums Thomas .: ok Good luck Igor : and this conversation Fyfan vilka svin dom verkar vara!.. jag ska aldrig sätta min fot på den sidan tänk bara vilken hemsk känsla man måste få i magen om man vinner 500$+ och vet med 90% säkerhet att det kommer strula!... Nej fyfan för den skit sidan verkar som dom lurar mååånga spelare. Förstår dock inte hur dom kan få finnas kvar.. Citera
NorthQ Postad 17 Juli , 2008 Rapport Postad 17 Juli , 2008 Yes. 30$ ska du kunna ta ut inte ett öre mer.. Så gör ett försök med det... Citera
kissbarn1 Postad 17 Juli , 2008 Rapport Postad 17 Juli , 2008 Notera order FREE När han måste spela ihop 200 poäng då känns det som om att pengarna inte är så gratis ändå?? Det är som att säga till någon, jobba för mig i 2 timmar så får du 200 kr gratis!! Citera
tamtaram Postad 30 September , 2009 Rapport Postad 30 September , 2009 Ett riktigt trainwreck i UB/AP-klass. Läs den här tråden: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/i-suspect-pitbull-poker-has-superusers-540094 En lång sammanfattning finns av Chesterboy, i de långa tråden, jag har klippt ut nedan. Pitbull Poker Cheating/Shut Down The other three threads are long and confusing. Mods can I suggest they be locked and all discussion be focused here? If you have been following this case read the bottom half, there is some new interesting info you haven't seen yet. Previous threads: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...rusers-540094/ http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...upport-444794/ http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-poker-347321/ Summary: Pitbull Poker Background: -sometime around 2000 Federico Schiavio, a high level IT employee of Binions, registered the domain wsop.com -he began developing custom poker software to launch a poker site on this domain -March 23, 2004 Harrahs begins legal action against Mr. Schiavio over the wsop.com domain -April 19, 2004 Dimensus Ltd is formed. This is the parent company of pitbull poker.com. -WSOP.com under Mr. Shiavio announces an arrangement with pitbull poker. They begin using the wsop.com website to push pitbull poker. It appears pitbull uses the custom software written by Mr. Schiavio originally for the wsop.com poker site he was planning. Kevin Baronowsky: He is the registrant of the following domains: pherx.com a pherehormone selling site pitbullpokr.com(no typo) which redirects to pitbullpoker.com xardplayer.com(no typo) also redirects to pitbullpoker.com dsscanuck is a screen name it appears he used on a forum that discusses illegally accessing satellite television. In a discussion on that forum it seems that he was busted by a government agency for selling illegal equipment and turned informant against his customers. There are court records available online showing that Kevin Baronowsky appeared in court for this. dsscanuck.com is now a blank website that holds banners for pherx.com and eczemaderm.com. eczemaderm.com is a site that sells a steroid cream product and happens to be hosted on the pherx.com servers. What puts all this together is that wsop.com was also hosted on the pherx.com servers. It appears that Kevin B is the owner of pitbull. This has been confirmed by several former employees. -March 10, 2009 Dimensus Ltd was dissolved, leaving no legal owner of pitbull. When this was made public Pitbull revealed a new company based in Cyprus that they claim is the current owner. Gaming License: -Pitbull Poker used to say on their website that they are licensed and registered in the UK. -They have never held a gaming license, but have lied about this for a while. All of their affiliates still think they hold a UK gaming license. -They host their servers in Panama, which means they are legally required to hold a Panama gaming license. They do not. -In reality, for all practical purposes they are under Costa Rica jusrisdiction, which does not require a gaming license and provides no oversight or legal recourse for any wrongdoing committed by Pitbull. Encryption: Pitbull poker claims on their website to encrpyt communications between server and client. This is a lie. Hole card data is sent unencrypted. Pitbull Poker has claimed that it is still secure, for vague reasons. As a technically savvy poster on 2+2 said: "What Dave is referring to when he talks about their secret protocol, is a simple scheme where each card is sent as two hex values. The rank is sent as a simple number, and then the suit is represented by one of four numeric values, which can be mapped from only a few hands. So they consider hex values and suit mapping to be a secret protocol that only their wizard programmers can figure out. Any kid hacker would see through it in 10 seconds, and none of it is encrypted at all. I can view my cards by sniffing my own connection from any computer in my home network, and if I were on a network node where their traffic passed through (such as at their ISP), I'd be able to see all players' cards." Cheating Allegations: -there have been a number of seperate allegations that pitbull poker is cheating its own customers through the ability to see hole cards. A summary of the playing style: "When playing on pitbull, mostly at 2/5 NL I believe I have faced superusers. Their play has the following characteristics: -Play tons of hands out of position and outplay everybody. -Donk bets with perfect accuracy. By this I mean that they will lead for 20% of pot when I have air, every time I have air. When I have a real hand they will check/fold. If I make a play at the donk bet they will call, and donk bet again on the turn for a small amount again, usually the same as on the flop. If I have a draw they will do this too, but if I hit the draw they will check/fold. -They dodge my real hands with perfect accuracy. The same players that never give me any action when I have top pair seem to have no trouble calling me with ace high when I have nothing. I know that this is a normal play and something I do too, but the problem here is that they are never wrong." Security Department: Dave Brenes, Pitbull Poker's online spokesman has repeatedly mentioned the Pitbull Poker security department. He claims they have investigated this matter and found no wrongdoing. However he has ignored repeated questions about this security department such as the following: -Who is in it? -What is their background? -who else have they worked for? In previous communications with players Dave Brenes has appeared to handle all matters that would normally be handled by a security department and it appears that they don't actually have a security department. Hand Histories: Until recently, pitbull has not had the capability to view more than 1 hand history at a time. This obviously makes it impossible to conduct and sort of investigation or to make sure that there is no cheating on the site. This seems to go along well with the theory that they don't actually have a security department. Since these accusations have been made public, they have reworked their system so that it delivers hand histories in a useable format. Unfortunately the system only stores hands for 90 days. Players have requested these following hand histories for analysis: 1. All hands played by Rapala at 10/20 LHE, in which he claims he was never once called by a worse hand in 4 handed games. These hands are no longer in the system as they were played too long ago. The player in question asked for these hands over a period of several months. Dave Brenes originally told him it would be no problem and he would get them to him shortly. He put him off for a while and eventually told him it simply wasn't possible. Here is a summary of the email correspondence, as written by Rapala: "14th dec – me: first email asking for pitbull to investigate certain players I suspected of suspicious play 16th dec: pitbull support: support replies there is no collusion 16th dec: me: I respond saying I don’t think collusion, but more like they can see my cards. Can he send me their hand histories 17th dec: dave brenes: assures me players cannot hack their servers. Cannot give me their hands but can give me mine 17th dec: me. Great pls send me my hands 18th dec: ok which dates? 18 dec: me - I reply with relevant dates 18 dec: dave: - sorry we it will take a few days 22 dec: dave – sorry the tech crew are on holiday, wont be able to get hands until 5 jan 10 jan: me – I don’t have my hands, pls send asap 12 jan: dave – sorry more tech issues, new system means it will take a few more days 9 Feb: - me: been a month, where are the hands? 12 Mar: me – I email pitbull support asking whats happening 17 mar – dave: replies that db manager was unable to make room for the request and now has heavy task load blah blah blah 29 April: me – I’m still waiting 27 May: me – I write final snotty email saying I found his silence very damning He doesn’t respond.." The following is an email sent by Dave Brenes to this player on March 17th: "Hi Brent, My deepest apologies but the DB Manager was never able to make room for your request since there was always something happening that prevented him to do it. The request is made, however we lost the DB manager and another programmer in less than a week, thus our organizational structure and the task load has been forced to be redistributed altering the course of requests and pending projects. I will give my absolute dedication to follow up on your request but I need to deal with an unexpected issue that is putting to wait all my tasks related to the IT department. I hope to give you more answer during the week. Cheers! Regards, Dave Brenes Network Manager Pitbull Gaming" This email becomes rather humerous when you realize it was sent only 7 days after Dimensus, the owning company of Pitbull was dissolved! 2. We are also seeking the hands that were played by Pigbot at 2/5 NL and above. He is a winning high stakes player on many sites over a long period of time and is convinced he was cheated in HU games. These hands are more than 90 days old so are no longer in the system. 3. Hands played by fluffychester at .50/1 NL and higher. Some of these hands are still within the 90 day timeframe but the player has been IP banned and can't access his account. It is interesting to note that a script had been written to retrieve bulk hand histories. The day this player tried to use it, the hand history server became accesible. By the time the server came back online several days later the player was banned. Pitbull Poker have sent this player the last 1000 hands he played. Unfortunately these hands were played after the player realized he was being cheated and was avoiding the cheaters. This means they are useless. Pitbull has demonstrated they have the ability to give these hand histories, and are simply choosing to withhold the relevant ones. It is also interesting to note that prior to all these accusations, hand histories remained available for more than 90 days. Some hands stayed in the system for 7 months. Only now that they are accused of cheating have the old hands been deleted. Originally the hand histories were in a format that could only be accessed 1 hand at a time and it took nearly a minute to retrieve each hand. They were in graphical format so couldn't be easily converted into a useable format. Now that they have been made accesible in a text format they have deleted all old hands. Software Issues: -Players have had their cards dealt facedown many times. -Several players claim to have been able to see their opponents hole cards during a hand. -Blinds are often assigned incorrectly. It is not uncommon to be the big or small blind several hands in a row in a non HU game. -Player notes written for one player become notes for a different player. -Player notes dissapear. -In PL games, the PL betting cap is incorrectly calculated. Summary of lies told by pitbull poker: 1. Claimed to have a UK gaming license. They told this to their affiliates who put this info on their websites. Pitbull says they never claimed to have a UK license. 2. Dave Brenes has told players in the past that hand histories can easily by given to them in bulk. He later said this is not possible. One of these is a lie but we aren't sure which one. 3. Claim to encrypt data. This is a blatant lie. 4. Claim to be a member of the Interactive Gaming Council. They are not. 5. They told pokernewsdaily.com that Dave Brenes was on vacation to get him out of a scheduled interview. This was proven to be a lie thanks to a messenger conversation he had with a former employee who took screenshots of the conversation. Former Employees: The following was written by an apparent former employee of pitbull: “I worked doing contract-based design for Pitbull for about a year and a half from my home in Canada. I got involved with the company through another (reliable one) I had worked with previously. Long story short a few months ago Kevin (owner and my main contact) just stopped talking to me out of the blue and ended up screwing me out of thousands of dollars that owed me and kept saying he would pay. After that happened I got in contact with another ex-employee who I worked with (living in CR) who Kevin had told me quit. Originally I was looking to her just to see if she could provide me with a phone number I could reach Kevin at. It was then that she informed me that she had not quit, but that Kevin had “fired” her and few programmers, screwed them out of a bunch of money and moved offices/changed numbers. Apparently, this guy owes a lot of people money. After talking to her further, and following the threads on this (2+2) forum, I asked her about Pitbull’s software. She said that everyone working from CR knew that Pitbull Poker’s CS could see everyone’s hole cards and there was cheating going on. Currently I am trying to get her and the programmers to come forward with this information. “ The person that wrote this has given me info in the past that proved that they worked for pitbull at some point. Other people have come foward that claim to work in the gaming industry in Costa Rica. They say that it is common knowledge in Costa Rica that Pitbull cheats their customers. They are working on gathering testimony from former employees to help prove this story. It is unproven at this point. They are no longer responding publicly on forums, and they refuse to answer any difficult questions presented to them by the poker media. It appears there is little that can be done as they are under no effective jurisdiction. NEW: Someone claiming to be Dave Brenes posted this: "hey guys! I'm Dave Brenes... I am only returning for one last post... several weeks ago Kevin Baronowski took away the login to 2+2 from me and since then I stopped following up on the threads as per his request. Tonight one of the people at Pitbull called me in at 3am... Kevin and Jordan were trying to take out the computers and leave without saying anything!!! I'm effectively not working for Pitbull obviously, but I just wanted to tell you that Pitbull is over... we will make sure things come out clear. I was led to believe many things from the inside and seems it kicked me back in the butt. From where I see it now, Kevin is capable of anything, and I doubt he will pay players or employees by now. Kevin and Jordan were taken by the local police thanks to the quick reaction of fellow co-workers who were suspecting foul play and arrived at the office after hours to find them taking out computers and equipment from the offices. I must say my computer was taken before they could arrive so it is lost pretty much. I want you to know that while I was at Pitbull I only did my job and follow the instructions given, and I was not fully aware of the real situation, however I would say Kevin is really a scammer. Thank you all and I hope you have a good night Dave " It is unclear right now if this is true or not. I have contacted local media in Costa Rica and hopefully they will investigate. Also I think it is now time to reveal some more details. Here is a post I have written this morning and been going back and forth on whether or not I should publish. I don't want to give away all this info to Kevin and company but I feel at this point I won't have a chance to go any further with it. No sense being sneaky anymore when it appears the rats have all abandoned the sinking ship. "Well I wasn't sure if I should post this or not and decided at this point I might as well. Here is my reasoning: 1. If the arrest story is true, it doesn't matter anymore anyways. 2. If they are on to me and this is all a diversion/excuse while they clear records and change accounts it doesn't matter anymore either because I won't be able to continue the investigation. Anyways, I have been continuing the investigation in private for a while now. Here is some information we have been able to gather: -They were continuing to use the cheating accounts to boost traffic to keep the site alive. They were doing their best to break even so as to attract as little attention as possible. -Every account has an account number that is used to ID players. When they change their screen names the account number stays the same. Here are the account numbers with superusing ability: 10050, 184515, 184518, 184525, 184522, 184530, 184566, 10014, 194526, 194532, 194536, 194538, 194546, 194549, 320796, 320799, 320802, 320806, 320809, 320811, 320813, 320815, 320818, 320820, 320822, 320823, 320826, 320829, 320834, 361163, 361172, 361185, 361192, 361197, 361203, 361229, 361240, 361482, 361493, 361603, 362558, 362565, 362580, 362587, 362598, 363896, 366448, 366455, 367438, 367521, 367559, 367578, 367615, 367649, 431132, 431139, 431140, 431149, 431156, 431164, 431193, 431214, 431219, 431225 There may be more, but these are all known acct id's we have. -We have the ability to obtain account numbers from screen names. I think that they realized we were doing this and that his why they took the servers down. Here are the cheating screen names we identified before they pulled the servers: Phoenixx=320818 windmaster=367578 academy=362558 These screen names were in use very recently. All other screen names suspected of cheating have had their account numbers removed before we were able to query them. I had just taken steps last night to query a large number of screen names, and hours later the servers were taken down. " Citera
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